Posts Tagged ‘scripture’

There is something wrong with Teh Gays

Friday, April 3rd, 2009

Yes, there is something wrong with gay people. Terribly, demonstrably wrong. Horrific, actually. Well, at least with most gay people.

Today, in the land of corn fields, and amongst the meadows and barns dedicated to animal husbandry (how ironic), the Iowa Supreme Court announced that gays should have the right to marry. This is IOWA! The gays invaded the heartland and won a victory. It’s a rather hollow victory. All that victory does is secure the civil rights gays have long sought to put them on par with heterosexuals. That’s all. No big deal.

But why? Sure, there are a host of social benefits in acknowledging formalized homosexual relationships (even the informal ones), but to what end? There is something very wrong with teh gays. Teh gays, many of them at least, still believe in the bible. They believe in religions of various kinds that don’t just dislike gay people, which should be sufficient, but no, their holy books call homosexual interactions an “abomination unto the lord” (or some variant). The cure normally is death to the perpetrator.

If you are gay, and you believe in the bible, particularly the Christian Bible — my favorite being the King James Version — why on earth do you actually believe in that god? In that religion? Why do you attend a church whose very words and practices do more than simply insult your existence, they often require the extinguishment of your innate characteristics and attributes from reality?

Oh, that’s right. Many of teh gays attend a gay-friendly church, like MCC. WHY? Because Jesus loves them. Yeah. Well, Jesus didn’t love teh gays enough to really come out in the New Testament and say something wonderful and loving and uplifting that would erase all the prior hate-filled scriptures. NOPE! But, teh gays love Jesus anyway.

WAKE UP QUEER FOLK!! THE TIME HAS COME TO STOP PLAYING THE WRONG GAME AND STRAIGHTEN UP YOUR LOGIC!!

GAYS NEED TO GO STRAIGHT! FUCK AN ATHEIST AND YOU’LL BE TURNED ON BY REGULAR LOGIC!!

Andrew, I know you really want to go straight and fuck an atheist. I have seen you sit on the fence many times, looking as though you really want to break on through to the other side. If you already fucked one, then maybe it wasn’t the right one. Just go to Dupont Circle and ask around. You’ll find one. It’s okay.

IF YOU ARE GAY AND DON’T KNOW AN ATHEIST, VISIT AN ONLINE FORUM LIKE ATT OR WWGHA, FIND AN ATHEIST AND THEN GET BUSY GOING STRAIGHT.

Lies, Damn Lies, and Creationism – Redux

Tuesday, February 10th, 2009

Book Review- Monkey Girl, by Edward Humes

Book review by L.Grey, with permission.

In the time of Galileo it was argued that the texts, ‘And the sun stood still … and hasted not to go down about a whole day’ (Joshua x. 13) and ‘He laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not move at any time’ (Psalm cv. 5) were an adequate refutation of the Copernican theory.

Alan Turing, Computing Machinery and Intelligence, Mind 59 (1950), 443.

Monkey Girl by Edward Humes ISBN: 9780060885489, ISBN10: 0060885483 Ecco (imprint of Harper Collins) Hardcover 400 pages, $25.95

What does it mean when proponents of Intelligent Design say “teach the controversy”?

You may think you know what the controversy is about, but you’ll never get a more thorough and up-to-date analysis of the Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District trial than Edward Humes’ book Monkey Girl. The 2005 trial was one of the latest episodes of the seemingly never-ending struggle for the hearts and minds of public school students. This is a fight between those who feel that Science describes nature pretty well, and those who believe that anything other than a strict literal interpretation of the Bible deserves a trip to hell and excommunication from polite society. The trial itself was a gripping account of small-town drama unfolding over the course of a year, of parents and children enduring intimidation and humiliation. Witnesses from both sides turned the courtroom into a fascinating arena of scientific evidence versus faith dressed in science’s clothing. At least three books have come out of the case (see further reading below for details), and Ed Humes’ Pulitzer Prize-winning writing style and even-handed coverage make Monkey Girl a compelling choice. Humes not only covers the case, he describes the town as the trial transforms it:

Dover sits firmly astride the front lines of America’s culture war, occupying the uneasy space between America’s religious faith and its longstanding fondness for scientific progress, between an idealized past and an uncertain future, between education and indoctrination, between the natural and the supernatural. For the next several months, the ninth floor courtroom in the Ronald Reagan Federal Building will belong to Kitzmiller et al versus Dover Area School District, an unintentionally epic lawsuit filed by a group of parents against their evolution-doubting school board. The case does indeed have much in common with the 1925 Scopes Monkey trial, a public spectacle in which Clarence Darrow and the American Civil Liberties Union unsuccessfully challenged a Tennessee law banning the teaching of evolution. But unlike its illustrious predecessor (which, popular imagination and classic films notwithstanding, had exactly no impact on the law or educational practice at the time), the Dover case is positioned to define (or redefine) for decades just what children are taught about where we come from. [prologue, Monkey Girl]

The controversy has shifted a bit since the famous 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, which first questioned the legality of teaching Darwin’s theory of Evolution in public schools. World War II and the Cold War demanded that the United States produce competent scientists. This demand seemed to effectively muzzle fundamentalists for a few decades. High School Biology classes approaching the Theory of Evolution would often involve an uneasy truce involving the words “changes over time” and neatly sidestepping the origins of life. Until reading this book, I assumed that all but the most extreme religious fundamentalists were fine with this truce. Humes’ book shows precisely how much this has changed.

While the book mostly focuses on the Dover trial, Humes also takes us to a similar trial in Kansas, the controversy involving the gift shop at the Grand Canyon, where Creationists have had some success in censoring information about the geological age of the national monument. Most importantly, Humes follows the trail of intellectual and legal deception to the pseudo-scientific think-tank called The Discovery Institute, a group of scientists who exclude any scientific evidence in conflict with Christian Scripture.

The Dover Trial is full of drama and bad debate, A Scopes Monkey Trial for the 21st century, or Inherit the Wind, Redux. Humes shows in the Dover case how Creationism in public schools, having been defeated in courts during the late 20th century under the Separation of Church and State clause of the First Amendment, evolved (pun intended) into the virtually identical Intelligent Design movement, to Dover, Pennsylvania among other places. Some of the most shocking moments of the trial feature the ironic displays of dishonesty which ultimately brought down the school board members who were trying to bring religion into the local biology classrooms. Humes covers the scope of the grand scheme of religious activists, who plan on infusing not only science classes with Christian dogma and bias, but History, Government, and other classes as well.

This very book elicits criticism from those whose definition of “Fair and Balanced” have been warped to Orwellian proportions by Fox News and today’s most hyperbolic propagandists. Humes compassionately portrays how the plaintiffs’ religious beliefs in this case, were attacked and their children mocked at school out of ignorance. The Dover case pitted one kind of Christians against another. Those who favored the separation of Church and State were attacked as “not Christian enough”, in a great example of how the separation of these two functions protects freedom of religion. Another surprising turn of events showed how the presiding judge, a Bush-supporting Republican was branded as a liberal judicial activist for defending the constitution.

While it is clear on which side Humes’ sympathies lie, the reader is necessarily confronted with the heart of the so-called controversy: regarding extreme religious views which by definition do not tolerate any opposing views, what are the limits of tolerance in society? How can a democracy defend pluralism from those whose religious beliefs clash so vehemently with the definition of reality itself by the rest of the world, both secular and religious? The Framers of the Constitution were historically not far away from centuries of religious wars in Europe which constantly threw governments into turmoil. They saw the value of the separation of church and state to both church and state. Back in those days religious persecution meant death or incarceration because of one’s beliefs, not what passes for persecution these days in the minds of some.

One gets the strong impression reading Humes’ insightful analysis, that this latest version of the old Darwin-vs.-God controversy is the product of the removal of Critical Thinking skills from the mainstream public school curriculum, and the lack of a Cold War Era push towards developments in Math & Science, supported by all but the most outspoken of Bible literalists, who constantly attempt to couch the debate as “God vs. Darwin”, when in fact, most religions don’t require people to choose between the two. In my opinion, this is a clear case of the old adage, “Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it”. Young-Earth Creationists might benefit from not ignoring the history of the Catholic Church’s censorship of Copernicus and Galileo hundreds of years ago, and ask themselves why the Pope doesn’t have a big problem with Darwin’s theories today.

-Philadelphic

Further reading on the Dover Trial: (after the break…)
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More Fucking Anti-Profanity Bill Bullshit

Friday, January 23rd, 2009

What the fuck is profanity, and why do elected officials keep pushing to have “it” banned? Same officials, no doubt, that push for the banning of various books they don’t like, as well.

BoingBoing brought to my attention the newest farce: South Carolina state Senator (and fucking coward) Robert Ford tries to pass a law there to outlaw profanity. Unknown what he means by profanity, but I’m sure it will come down either to a list of the top seven or so words, or some subjective standard passed off to resemble a generally objective standard, like “reasonably interpreted to be offensive or perverse.” Up to five years in jail or fines up to $5,000 for a mere utterance, because, apparently “…the First Amendment is not absolute… You cannot say whatever you want whenever you want to.”

I call him coward because he’s afraid of words. By fearing words, those words become empowered. Many used to fear the word “damn” because it was thought to be the curse prohibited in the bible (yes, most of this puritan bullshit has origins in religious scripture — surprise!), and supposedly before that, the mere use of the word “God” (as in “God damn”) was considered the curse (using God’s name in vain). Look through television history. I remember a time where “God damn” wasn’t bleeped. Then they bleeped only “damn.” Now they bleep only “God.” I wonder how many innocent souls were forever psychologically scarred (and damned to eternal hell) by our obvious mis-bleeping early on.

On a similar note, Greta Christina asks why our society and world is obsessed with putting restrictions on various manifestations of sexuality. I personally think it’s because the shitheads who come up with such restrictions are closeted homosexuals, BDSMs, pedophiles, or are just plain sexless. And they carry that down generation to generation by claiming that their God watches all the perverted little things they do, and the threat of hell is just too much for them. Moreso, though, it follows the tradition of religious hypocrisy and totalitarianism. It’s just a very effective way to control others through fear and intimidation. We really need to purge our world of this.

(Love you, Greta!)

State of Protest

How to Disprove the Existence of “God”

Tuesday, January 6th, 2009

At the end of a long debate about where lies the burden of proof with regard to proving the existence of a divine being, a frustrated believer might concede a certain level of defeat about lacking the ability to prove the existence of God with evidence outside the bible, but will undoubtedly make what is often considered the final unchallengeable thrust against atheism — that God cannot be disproven.

I beg to differ.

Get your invisible teapot detection kit ready, and let’s disprove God!

To gain an understanding of the concepts involved, and to set the stage for the argument that you can successfully disprove God, start not with what it takes to disprove God, but rather what it takes to prove God. In other words, you’ll need to take the position of the believer who has the burden of proof. To make it easy, ask yourself what it would take for you to believe in God? Notice that it’s very important here that we’re not asking what it would take for you to believe in “a” god. The distinction is critical. For, “a” god is one of the most widely interpreted concepts; proving or disproving such ambiguity is pointless for both sides, since what would follow from the proof wouldn’t support the tenets of whatever scripture the believer wants to claim as true.

What would it take for you to believe in God? For me, it’s the following.
When:
1. God is defined by a specific, unwavering set of characteristics;
2. Sufficient evidence of each and every one of those characteristics is presented to me in such a way that I believed those characteristics to exist, or very likely to exist; and
3. None of the evidence can be attributed to anything other than the “god” as defined.

We can easily make an analogy here to any other proof of the existence of something. Let’s say you claimed to have a Ming vase in a locked cabinet, and you ask me what it would take for me to believe it exists, and to buy it from you for what you claim it’s worth. Well, I’d have to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt (reasonable for the situation) that it’s a Ming vase, so I first ask you to open the cabinet — eyesight is sensory input which would give me at least some starting data. You tell me that you cannot open the cabinet until the vase is purchased — say that it’s some obscure inheritance rule. As a skeptic, what should I do next? Say, “Well, if you can’t show me, then it cannot be true?” I could, certainly, but then what would be the fun of that? I would say, for it to be a Ming vase, it must have some defining characteristics. Can you prove or disprove any of those characteristics without opening the cabinet? I expect so.

There are scanning tools that should give an indication of the contents of the cabinet. You might be able to determine the shape of the vase (if it’s even in there), and with even more fine-tuning, perhaps “see” engravings with sonics. You could also show me documentation, authentications, affidavits, photographs, samples, etc. There are myriad bits of evidence you could toss my way to help convince me that you really do have a Ming vase, and do you know what the kicker is? It might actually work. I might be convinced, with enough proof, and I might pay you for whatever it really is. When we open the cabinet, we’ll have more evidence one way or the other, and at the end of the day, it still might not be a Ming vase, and if I found evidence that it wasn’t, then I should adjust my view on the matter accordingly.

That’s the way we should handle proof of God. A believer isn’t saying there’s “some sort of god” in the cabinet. The believer is saying “my God” is in the cabinet. That’s the important distinction I mentioned. The believer’s god better have some characteristics. What are they? It varies from believer to believer. What should the skeptic do? Ask: What are the characteristics of your god?

The response could be:
1. Omniscience
2. Omnipotence
3. All-loving
4. Able to produce miracles
5. Trinity
6. Created everything
7. Answers prayers
8. Wrote (directly or indirectly) scripture

Any, all, or a selection of those, or other characteristics may be chosen.

The next step is for the believer to gather and present what evidence is available for each characteristic, and then for me to determine whether I feel each characteristic has been sufficiently proven by the evidence. The key here, as it was with the vase, is that these are defining characteristics – necessary characteristics. Take any one of them away, and it’s not the same god that was originally proffered. If you take one away, the believer must either give up or redefine. This continues until that happens, or I am satisfied with the evidence.

I’m not actually going to challenge any of the characteristics or evidence in this article, as all of them have been discussed repeatedly elsewhere. However, I will say that, for me, and for the vast majority of scientists and skeptics of the world, the evidence isn’t sufficient to prove the existence of God.

And that’s where the believer jumps in with, “Well, you can’t disprove God!”

Yes, I can. The same way the believer failed to prove God. By definition.

God is fully and wholly disproved when:
1. God is defined by a specific, unwavering set of characteristics; and
2. Sufficient proof is provided that at least one of those characteristics is not true.

Let’s test this. The believer decides to define God as omniscient, creator of everything, answers prayers. The believer offers up various arguments trying to prove each characteristic. When we test each one, we realize that prayer has repeatedly not worked as advertised. Reply to the believer: prayer is not answered, therefore your god does not exist. Why can I say that with such authority? It’s simple math (math/logic).

God (G) is the set of characteristics with the elements: omniscience (O), creator of everything (C), prayer-answerer (P).

So,

G ≡ (G = {O,C,P}) & (O & C & P)
~P
∴ ~G

Translation:

God exists if and only if the set of God’s characteristics is omniscience, creator of everything, and prayer-answerer AND each of those characteristics is True. (for each rehash of the “definition” of God, the set of characteristics is changed to match — there’s no cheating!)
Prayer-answering is not True.
Therefore God does not exist.

(sorry if my notation is rusty — I’m using a mix of math and logic)

So, even if we stipulate O and C, the god as defined (G) does not exist, because we’ve determined that a necessary element of G (P) is not true. At this point, the believer might reply that it’s fine to just drop the prayer part, but God exists otherwise. As a skeptic, you might want to respond, “Okay, assuming God as defined by omniscience and creator exists, what then?” The believer (and these are responses I’ve received from this argument!) might go on to say that it follows that if God exists, then the bible is true, or that the quran is true, or that God loves you, or that if you don’t believe in God, you’re going to hell, or that all morality derives from God and therefore religion. Something like that. Proper retort? None of those were characteristics of God as defined (i.e., they weren’t elements of the set of G). If the believer would like to start over again, adding to the set of elements, then we can analyze the revised definition of God. Merely because one characteristic might be plausible or even true does not make another characteristic true by its scriptural or alleged intuitive relationship with that characteristic. In other words, even if everyone in the room agreed that an omniscient being exists, it does not follow that the omniscient being, by nature of it being omniscient, created the universe, answers prayers, or sends people to heaven or hell.

So, you can definitively say that God does not exist.

One factor not to be overlooked is alternative natural explanations. If a believer attributes lightning to God, but it’s shown that lightning is a product of nature, God cannot have the characteristic that it is the only thing that can produce lightning. If the believer claims that everything is God, including nature, that potentially resets the characteristics, which need to be defined further if we’re not meant to just shrug our shoulders at the declaration that “God” exists (and that non-believers merely call it nature). In short, if a believer wants others to do something based on interpretation of scripture, or a subjective interpretation of what “God” is telling the believer, then the believer must provide more specific and thorough characteristics, and they must not be able to be explained by way of natural phenomena. If something is a characteristic that is not evident (i.e., something that cannot be currently proven or disproven (string theory, for example) ), it is not logical to attribute it to anything definitively — so, god of the gaps arguments are insufficient. Until then, everything that exists is nature, natural, and not God, and therefore God does not exist.

If desired, the model above can be modified to reflect the “if not explained by natural phenomenon” restriction:

T ≡ ( (T = {Th,L}) & (Th & L) ) & ( (Th OR L) ≠ N)
Th = N
L = N
(Th OR L) = N
∴ ~T

Thor exists if and only if the set of characteristics of Thor is Thunder and Lightning, AND Thunder and Lightning are true (exist), AND Thunder OR Lightning aren’t explained by natural phenomenon.
Thunder is Natural, Lightning is Natural, so one of the characteristics is Natural.
Therefore, Thor does not exist.

If it works for Thor, and you really think Thor doesn’t exist (you don’t, do you?), then why can’t it work for something called “God” with characteristics that either don’t exist, or can be easily explained by nature, just like Thor’s lightning and thunder?

If a believer makes one last shot in the dark by saying that with all these logical restrictions, it’s impossible to prove that anything exists, let alone God (and therefore, we can’t disprove God, either), then the proper response is that if God is such that God’s characteristics lack the sufficient presence to be tested, such that we cannot prove or disprove God, then if God did exist, God has absolutely no influence on anything in the world — for if God did, then we’d be able to detect it, test it, and prove or disprove its relationship to God. If the believer says we wouldn’t be able to detect it, then that proves the lack of influence, and therefore effective lack of existence. In other words, if God lacks detectable influence, God is irrelevant.

Faults in my logic? Hit me!

-Procrustes

State of Protest

Endnote: If you haven’t figured it out, this analysis is really just about rejection of religion, not necessarily the rejection of the potential for there existing some greater being. There’s no reason not to believe there is something greater out there, but there is a better reason not to believe. Where the above analysis comes in handy is discussions with people who intend to use their proof of God to link back to the alleged truth of scripture or other divine intervention claimed to exist by the religious. When that is the case, there is always some link back to text, and that will always include some reference to an act the god allegedly committed, which helps define that god, at least subjectively with regard to that specific text or the specific religion being touted. When I say I can disprove God, I’m not saying I can disprove the existence of every potential incarnation of everything anyone can possibly call “God” or a greater being. I’m saying that if someone proffers a god with specific characteristics, and those characteristics don’t pass muster, that god does not exist. It’s interesting how our society has been coerced to believe that it is the duty of the unbeliever to continue to battle this pointless fight while the believer “fights” by way of smug stagnation.

Endnote2: Much of the feedback I’ve received from this analysis regards an argument that “answers prayers” is not necessary characteristic of God, nor is it even uniform among believers. My general response to that criticism is that the system of disproof I’ve proffered doesn’t require that God have that characteristic. It merely uses that characteristic as one of many potential example characteristics that can and have been used by believers to define what they call “God.” The sets of characteristics vary from belief to belief, but that has no bearing on whether this disproof works, because this concept is based on identifying whatever characteristics for “God” are proffered at the moment of analysis, not, however, on potential characteristics. In other words, whoever is advocating in the existence of something must define it in a substantial way, and if any bit of that definition is false in such a way that negates the possibility of that thing existing, then it doesn’t exist. So, to answer the criticism with regard to “answers prayers,” I merely say, then how do [i]you[/i] define what you call “God”?

Sometimes I get the rebuttal of “Well, lots of people claim that God answers prayers, and you can’t disprove them, so your disproof is wrong.” Merely because a lot of people claim something doesn’t make it true. More importantly, if we performed extensive studies that showed with reasonable accuracy that those prayers are, in fact, being answered, then that would be evidence in favor of “God,” as defined, but it would not make my disproof equation incorrect. My disproof equation doesn’t say “God does not exist.” The equation is merely a tool. Insert data, and it’ll spit out “God does not exist” or “/shrug.” If you look at the equation without entering data, it says nothing. Therefore, even if God really exists, my equation is not incorrect.

Being Religious is Like Eating Sand

Monday, December 15th, 2008

Being religious is like eating sand. It fills you up, tricks you into not being hungry, but has no nutritional value. When religious people argue that the lack of God or religion leaves an empty hole that cannot be filled by anything other than religion or spirituality, they’re mistaken or being misleading, perhaps because they’re so full of sand that they cannot make room for that very obvious thing that can, and does, fill that hole — good food. What your mind and body need is sustenance – real sustenance, which can take many different forms, but always has something in common — it passes the honesty test.

When you pass from belief to doubt, that critical stage necessary to eventually eschew religion entirely, you often maintain that craving for the easy fix of sand that will quickly fill you up and keep you distracted. The reason you have even an inkling of doubt is that the part of you that needs real sustenance knows that you’re deceiving it, and it wants real food. It wants truth and honesty, and your doubt is evidence that the sand you’ve been gulping down is only there to distract you from what you could be consuming. Once you pause a moment, to let some of the sand pass, and you take a bite of something curious and wondrous in and of itself, two things will happen. First, the part of you that you’ve been suppressing, that part that craves real sustenance, tells you that it wants more. Second, the habit you’ve formed, for probably years, maybe decades, sends override signals and demands sand intake – quickly, before you realize what’s happening.

If you choose, perhaps over time, perhaps cold turkey, to wean yourself from that sandy diet, and start filling yourself with alternatives, you’ll want more and more. But it doesn’t end there. Not even if you’ve purged yourself of sand. The habits you’ve built up over the years want an easy fix. Sand is easy to come by. It’s everywhere, and people love to feed it to each other, because it helps to justify and perpetuate their own habits. The arguments about that “hole” that needs filling, with God or religion or both, start to seem reasonable. You want to get that sand fix. You begin to second guess yourself, and start arguing with yourself that maybe it is a good idea to be on the “safe” side of Pascal’s wager. What have you got to lose? You lived all those years being religious, so it couldn’t hurt to go back. And it’s easy, so easy to do, and to be accepted into the fold, accepted back into the flock which you abandoned.

But you realize that the reason sand is so easy is because real sustenance is so challenging. Answers to everything aren’t laid out before you in connect-the-dots simplicity. You have to think about things other than what scripture says or how to interpret it. You often have to fill in the void with answers that you don’t like — it’s very likely that when you die, that’s the end of things. Can you accept that? Can you digest it? Can you consume and keep down all of the new things you’ll learn, and can you keep room in there for more?

What believers who argue that you have a hole that needs to be filled with God don’t realize is that it’s okay to have a hole that needs to be filled. But you’ve come this far, so, instead of taking the easy way out by succumbing to the habits that keep you controlled by those habits, fill that hole with the things that will make your mind and body feel good about yourself, the things that challenge you, the things that you find truthful of your own accord (not because someone else demands that you see them as the truth). That’s the honesty test. And that’s good food.

-Procrustes

StOP