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State of Protest – The Comic – 015 (plus a contest!)

Tuesday, May 12th, 2009


GoP

(click to enlarge – and no, that’s not innuendo. okay, fine, it is innuendo, but the hen heard “cluck to enlarge”)

For those of you who are asking, “Isn’t that a bit mild for 4chan?”, you know this blog is family fucking friendly, right? Sheesh, you pervs. If you want some 4chan, just go there, already! Seriously, though, what you deem “mild” is, for these (at least public) Republican Prudes, a kick in the teeth of their prurient virginity.1

But, because I like you, I’ll make this into a contest! I spent many painful hours trying to come up with the best “furry sex” image that wasn’t actually pornographic, but that perhaps did a decent enough job invoking the 4chan meme. But, you know, I’m just not practiced enough at that sort of thing (which is probably a good thing), but I’m betting some of my readers are (no insult intended, of course, heh). So, here’s the contest: Send me a pic (but not a link!) of a better representation of the 4chan meme that would fit nicely in this comic (i.e., invoking the reactions you see by the prudes on the left), but that would not constitute pornography (i.e., nothing that would trigger the FCC’s nipple-slippage fines (not that I’m subject to them, but I am invoking my right not to show what I don’t desire to show — kids read this blog, you know!) ). You can send your entries to procrustes AT stateofprotest DOT com (make sure the subject line includes either “comic” or “contest”). I’ll judge the entries and I will post the winner’s integrated entry in this post and in the upcoming Carnival of the Godless! You have until midnight EST on May 16 to get your entries in. (submit as many as you want)

Good luck!

  1. Fine, here’s a more risqué version:

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How to Disprove the Existence of “God”

Tuesday, January 6th, 2009

At the end of a long debate about where lies the burden of proof with regard to proving the existence of a divine being, a frustrated believer might concede a certain level of defeat about lacking the ability to prove the existence of God with evidence outside the bible, but will undoubtedly make what is often considered the final unchallengeable thrust against atheism — that God cannot be disproven.

I beg to differ.

Get your invisible teapot detection kit ready, and let’s disprove God!

To gain an understanding of the concepts involved, and to set the stage for the argument that you can successfully disprove God, start not with what it takes to disprove God, but rather what it takes to prove God. In other words, you’ll need to take the position of the believer who has the burden of proof. To make it easy, ask yourself what it would take for you to believe in God? Notice that it’s very important here that we’re not asking what it would take for you to believe in “a” god. The distinction is critical. For, “a” god is one of the most widely interpreted concepts; proving or disproving such ambiguity is pointless for both sides, since what would follow from the proof wouldn’t support the tenets of whatever scripture the believer wants to claim as true.

What would it take for you to believe in God? For me, it’s the following.
When:
1. God is defined by a specific, unwavering set of characteristics;
2. Sufficient evidence of each and every one of those characteristics is presented to me in such a way that I believed those characteristics to exist, or very likely to exist; and
3. None of the evidence can be attributed to anything other than the “god” as defined.

We can easily make an analogy here to any other proof of the existence of something. Let’s say you claimed to have a Ming vase in a locked cabinet, and you ask me what it would take for me to believe it exists, and to buy it from you for what you claim it’s worth. Well, I’d have to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt (reasonable for the situation) that it’s a Ming vase, so I first ask you to open the cabinet — eyesight is sensory input which would give me at least some starting data. You tell me that you cannot open the cabinet until the vase is purchased — say that it’s some obscure inheritance rule. As a skeptic, what should I do next? Say, “Well, if you can’t show me, then it cannot be true?” I could, certainly, but then what would be the fun of that? I would say, for it to be a Ming vase, it must have some defining characteristics. Can you prove or disprove any of those characteristics without opening the cabinet? I expect so.

There are scanning tools that should give an indication of the contents of the cabinet. You might be able to determine the shape of the vase (if it’s even in there), and with even more fine-tuning, perhaps “see” engravings with sonics. You could also show me documentation, authentications, affidavits, photographs, samples, etc. There are myriad bits of evidence you could toss my way to help convince me that you really do have a Ming vase, and do you know what the kicker is? It might actually work. I might be convinced, with enough proof, and I might pay you for whatever it really is. When we open the cabinet, we’ll have more evidence one way or the other, and at the end of the day, it still might not be a Ming vase, and if I found evidence that it wasn’t, then I should adjust my view on the matter accordingly.

That’s the way we should handle proof of God. A believer isn’t saying there’s “some sort of god” in the cabinet. The believer is saying “my God” is in the cabinet. That’s the important distinction I mentioned. The believer’s god better have some characteristics. What are they? It varies from believer to believer. What should the skeptic do? Ask: What are the characteristics of your god?

The response could be:
1. Omniscience
2. Omnipotence
3. All-loving
4. Able to produce miracles
5. Trinity
6. Created everything
7. Answers prayers
8. Wrote (directly or indirectly) scripture

Any, all, or a selection of those, or other characteristics may be chosen.

The next step is for the believer to gather and present what evidence is available for each characteristic, and then for me to determine whether I feel each characteristic has been sufficiently proven by the evidence. The key here, as it was with the vase, is that these are defining characteristics – necessary characteristics. Take any one of them away, and it’s not the same god that was originally proffered. If you take one away, the believer must either give up or redefine. This continues until that happens, or I am satisfied with the evidence.

I’m not actually going to challenge any of the characteristics or evidence in this article, as all of them have been discussed repeatedly elsewhere. However, I will say that, for me, and for the vast majority of scientists and skeptics of the world, the evidence isn’t sufficient to prove the existence of God.

And that’s where the believer jumps in with, “Well, you can’t disprove God!”

Yes, I can. The same way the believer failed to prove God. By definition.

God is fully and wholly disproved when:
1. God is defined by a specific, unwavering set of characteristics; and
2. Sufficient proof is provided that at least one of those characteristics is not true.

Let’s test this. The believer decides to define God as omniscient, creator of everything, answers prayers. The believer offers up various arguments trying to prove each characteristic. When we test each one, we realize that prayer has repeatedly not worked as advertised. Reply to the believer: prayer is not answered, therefore your god does not exist. Why can I say that with such authority? It’s simple math (math/logic).

God (G) is the set of characteristics with the elements: omniscience (O), creator of everything (C), prayer-answerer (P).

So,

G ≡ (G = {O,C,P}) & (O & C & P)
~P
∴ ~G

Translation:

God exists if and only if the set of God’s characteristics is omniscience, creator of everything, and prayer-answerer AND each of those characteristics is True. (for each rehash of the “definition” of God, the set of characteristics is changed to match — there’s no cheating!)
Prayer-answering is not True.
Therefore God does not exist.

(sorry if my notation is rusty — I’m using a mix of math and logic)

So, even if we stipulate O and C, the god as defined (G) does not exist, because we’ve determined that a necessary element of G (P) is not true. At this point, the believer might reply that it’s fine to just drop the prayer part, but God exists otherwise. As a skeptic, you might want to respond, “Okay, assuming God as defined by omniscience and creator exists, what then?” The believer (and these are responses I’ve received from this argument!) might go on to say that it follows that if God exists, then the bible is true, or that the quran is true, or that God loves you, or that if you don’t believe in God, you’re going to hell, or that all morality derives from God and therefore religion. Something like that. Proper retort? None of those were characteristics of God as defined (i.e., they weren’t elements of the set of G). If the believer would like to start over again, adding to the set of elements, then we can analyze the revised definition of God. Merely because one characteristic might be plausible or even true does not make another characteristic true by its scriptural or alleged intuitive relationship with that characteristic. In other words, even if everyone in the room agreed that an omniscient being exists, it does not follow that the omniscient being, by nature of it being omniscient, created the universe, answers prayers, or sends people to heaven or hell.

So, you can definitively say that God does not exist.

One factor not to be overlooked is alternative natural explanations. If a believer attributes lightning to God, but it’s shown that lightning is a product of nature, God cannot have the characteristic that it is the only thing that can produce lightning. If the believer claims that everything is God, including nature, that potentially resets the characteristics, which need to be defined further if we’re not meant to just shrug our shoulders at the declaration that “God” exists (and that non-believers merely call it nature). In short, if a believer wants others to do something based on interpretation of scripture, or a subjective interpretation of what “God” is telling the believer, then the believer must provide more specific and thorough characteristics, and they must not be able to be explained by way of natural phenomena. If something is a characteristic that is not evident (i.e., something that cannot be currently proven or disproven (string theory, for example) ), it is not logical to attribute it to anything definitively — so, god of the gaps arguments are insufficient. Until then, everything that exists is nature, natural, and not God, and therefore God does not exist.

If desired, the model above can be modified to reflect the “if not explained by natural phenomenon” restriction:

T ≡ ( (T = {Th,L}) & (Th & L) ) & ( (Th OR L) ≠ N)
Th = N
L = N
(Th OR L) = N
∴ ~T

Thor exists if and only if the set of characteristics of Thor is Thunder and Lightning, AND Thunder and Lightning are true (exist), AND Thunder OR Lightning aren’t explained by natural phenomenon.
Thunder is Natural, Lightning is Natural, so one of the characteristics is Natural.
Therefore, Thor does not exist.

If it works for Thor, and you really think Thor doesn’t exist (you don’t, do you?), then why can’t it work for something called “God” with characteristics that either don’t exist, or can be easily explained by nature, just like Thor’s lightning and thunder?

If a believer makes one last shot in the dark by saying that with all these logical restrictions, it’s impossible to prove that anything exists, let alone God (and therefore, we can’t disprove God, either), then the proper response is that if God is such that God’s characteristics lack the sufficient presence to be tested, such that we cannot prove or disprove God, then if God did exist, God has absolutely no influence on anything in the world — for if God did, then we’d be able to detect it, test it, and prove or disprove its relationship to God. If the believer says we wouldn’t be able to detect it, then that proves the lack of influence, and therefore effective lack of existence. In other words, if God lacks detectable influence, God is irrelevant.

Faults in my logic? Hit me!

-Procrustes

State of Protest

Endnote: If you haven’t figured it out, this analysis is really just about rejection of religion, not necessarily the rejection of the potential for there existing some greater being. There’s no reason not to believe there is something greater out there, but there is a better reason not to believe. Where the above analysis comes in handy is discussions with people who intend to use their proof of God to link back to the alleged truth of scripture or other divine intervention claimed to exist by the religious. When that is the case, there is always some link back to text, and that will always include some reference to an act the god allegedly committed, which helps define that god, at least subjectively with regard to that specific text or the specific religion being touted. When I say I can disprove God, I’m not saying I can disprove the existence of every potential incarnation of everything anyone can possibly call “God” or a greater being. I’m saying that if someone proffers a god with specific characteristics, and those characteristics don’t pass muster, that god does not exist. It’s interesting how our society has been coerced to believe that it is the duty of the unbeliever to continue to battle this pointless fight while the believer “fights” by way of smug stagnation.

Endnote2: Much of the feedback I’ve received from this analysis regards an argument that “answers prayers” is not necessary characteristic of God, nor is it even uniform among believers. My general response to that criticism is that the system of disproof I’ve proffered doesn’t require that God have that characteristic. It merely uses that characteristic as one of many potential example characteristics that can and have been used by believers to define what they call “God.” The sets of characteristics vary from belief to belief, but that has no bearing on whether this disproof works, because this concept is based on identifying whatever characteristics for “God” are proffered at the moment of analysis, not, however, on potential characteristics. In other words, whoever is advocating in the existence of something must define it in a substantial way, and if any bit of that definition is false in such a way that negates the possibility of that thing existing, then it doesn’t exist. So, to answer the criticism with regard to “answers prayers,” I merely say, then how do [i]you[/i] define what you call “God”?

Sometimes I get the rebuttal of “Well, lots of people claim that God answers prayers, and you can’t disprove them, so your disproof is wrong.” Merely because a lot of people claim something doesn’t make it true. More importantly, if we performed extensive studies that showed with reasonable accuracy that those prayers are, in fact, being answered, then that would be evidence in favor of “God,” as defined, but it would not make my disproof equation incorrect. My disproof equation doesn’t say “God does not exist.” The equation is merely a tool. Insert data, and it’ll spit out “God does not exist” or “/shrug.” If you look at the equation without entering data, it says nothing. Therefore, even if God really exists, my equation is not incorrect.

My 2009 Predictions

Tuesday, January 6th, 2009

Evan Bernstein, from the Rogues Gallery (the Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe blog) had a fun idea to test his powers of prediction for what’s to come in 2009, and he invited others to chime in. So, to spread the word, I’m posting my prediction comment here, as well. Be sure to head on over to TRG to submit your own predictions, so you can brag about them coming true later.

Here are mine:

1. The world will not end. (fn: if it does, there will be no one around to say I was wrong)

2. Sarah Palin will first pardon, and then eat, a turkey.

3. Pastor Rick Warren will say the word “God” at the inauguration at least three times, but no more than five.

4. Obama will say the word “God” twice.

5. Car companies will continue to manufacture gas-guzzling p.o.s. cars, despite the need for alternate types of vehicles.

6. Rachel Maddow will interview at least one new Cabinet member, and quite possibly the Pres or VP.

7. Keith Olbermann will not dye his hair. (And why should he?)

8. California courts will hold that all marriages that were held during the “gays are okay” window will maintain validity, despite the Prop 8 law against gay marriage. Complainants will lose their battle to take it to the U.S. Supreme Court because that Court will claim a lack of jurisdiction over a state matter (marriage). Gay marriage advocates will push to overturn Prop 8, and that movement will fail.

9. President Obama will sign a bill authorizing the FCC to censor the Internet. For everyone.

10. Credit card companies will increase the interest rates of all their customers (”victims”) just before Congress rules that credit card companies will be prohibited from doing so — and that ruling won’t be retroactive.

11. Multiple successful “civilian” stratosphere trips will increase in popularity, decrease in price, and make NASA look even more incompetent, which will prompt the government to nix even more space development and funding, which is generally what makes NASA look so bad in the first place.

12. Sports will continue to be about 3000% more popular than science, and will receive about that much more funding.

13. An amazing archeological find will prove once and for all that baby Jesus played with dinosaurs.

14. “Caligula” will be made into a Broadway show and musical, and it’s about time.

15. One prominent and famous Scientologist will denounce Scientology, claim he/she was brainwashed and mistaken, and then will claim to have found Jesus.

16. One state (besides Alaska) will seriously contemplate secession.

17. One house of Congress will pass (again) a Flag Desecration act. The other house will not pass it, but the margin will be the closest it’s ever been.

18. The U.S. will have a presence in Afghanistan and Iraq throughout the year, approximately equivalent to the presence it has now (but possibly shifting from one country to the other).

19. Marijuana will still be illegal for non-prescription consumption, and will still be illegal in most places for prescription consumption.

20. You’ll still be able to buy alcohol and firearms, though.

-Procrustes

State of Protest

Top 10 Things to be Thankful for About 2008

Wednesday, December 31st, 2008

10. It’s over.

Actually, I can’t think of anything else. Perhaps I’m a cynic, but there was just way too much death, hate, and corruption to feel comfortable with how things turned out. Cynic, yes. However, I’m optimistic about the future. I hope we can reverse some of these trends in 2009.

You might argue that the election of a majority Democratic Congress was a positive thing. However, the Democratic platform was heavily based on ending the war in Iraq. They ended up, instead, increasing the power of the government to intervene in our private affairs with the various incarnations of the Patriot Act (i.e., they perpetuated it and increased its scope), and they prolonged the war indefinitely. It’s like a politician winning on a platform of lowering taxes whose first act in office is to raise them.

You might say that the election of Obama was a windfall for civil rights and change, but Obama has stocked his Cabinet with those who will likely keep the status quo; and his overinclusiveness with regard to tolerance (Rick Warren, anyone?) brings up questions about whether his loyalty is to the health of the nation or, instead, to the idea that those who have been oppressed should just “get along” with their oppressors while the representatives of the oppressors and the oppressors themselves get to speak with and for the president, while the oppressed are shunned.

As I’ve asked before, where’s the change? Where’s the call to reason? If we’re going to be forced to reach across the aisle to rub elbows with those who condemn us to eternal hellfire while expecting the government to give them tax breaks and a sense of entitlement and protection from scrutiny, why on earth aren’t they being forced to listen to reason from our point of view?

I’m tired of the double standards and the status quo, and I’m ready for change. Let’s bring it on.

Happy New Year.

-Procrustes

State of Protest

To Sue or Not to Sue… The President

Monday, December 29th, 2008

Camps are forming among the irreligious, based on Michael Newdow’s most recent attempt to break up the government-religious relationship — he’s suing President-elect Obama. Well, not directly, but effectively, through his lawsuit against the use of the term “So help me God” and inaugural prayer. Newdow and others claim that Obama and related officials should leave behind all semblance of religion when ascending the platform that will officially designate Obama as the next President of the United States.

Friendly Atheist is one prominent member of the camp that supports such a notion. He states:

There’s no reason Barack Obama should be swearing an oath to God when he takes office. (If he chooses to do so personally, that’s his decision, but it shouldn’t be part of the official ceremony.) There’s also no reason we should have prayers — in this case, Christian ones — at the inauguration.

Although Friendly Atheist believes that the lawsuit stands about the same chance as Newdow’s failed 2004 lawsuit of the same calibre, he thinks that the upside to such litigiousness is that it brings attention to the secular versus religious issue with regard to government.

On the other side of the aisle is Atheist Ethicist, arguing that because this is an issue of freedom of speech, it should not be fought with violence, but, instead, with speech. Violence, he says, because the court enforces its decisions with the force of the government (i.e., police), in the form of intimidation and sometimes actual force. The proper way to act in retaliation of the decision to meld the pulpit and the presidency is to condemn and criticize, but not prohibit the speech of others, particularly the president’s. Essentially, if we act through the courts to stifle the president’s ability to say a prayer or swear to God, then we make a mockery of our own arguments to protect our own right to not pray or swear to God.

Both arguments have valid points. It’s a good idea to bring to America’s attention that we haven’t always been a “Christian” nation, and that, as Friendly Atheist notes, our allusions to the biblical God were all fabricated and implemented fairly late in U.S. history. And it’s also proper for us to enforce the notion that government is supposed to be separate from religion, at least with regard to endorsement. On the other hand, it’s potentially risky to establish a precedent that we wouldn’t want applied to ourselves or to others, regardless of their belief.

I’ll add something to this. Obama won’t be passing any laws during the inauguration. The First Amendment protects us from Congress passing law respecting an establishment of religion. It’s got nothing to say about the president being sworn in by the Chief Justice, or about an invocation, or if the president-elect wants to wear a turban or a cross or a clown suit.

So, which argument is stronger? The one supporting the lawsuit or the one opposing it? Is there a limit to which rational people should go in pursuit of separation of church and state, and is this the limit?

-Procrustes

State of Protest