Posts Tagged ‘British’

If the Pope Changes His Mind…

Thursday, February 5th, 2009

Does that mean he’s imperfect? Or that God is imperfect? We’ve all probably addressed the issue of whether an omnipotent being can change its mind about something, but let’s get down to Earth for a moment and address the issue of whether Catholics or anyone should give any respect or deference to a religious idol in the flesh who claims to be the spokesperson for God, but who, from generation to generation, and even within the same tenure, changes his mind on issues due to political and public pressure. In other words, the Pope is and should be treated only as the equivalent of a Prime Minister of a tiny little, but very influential, country tucked away in Rome.

So, why do people give him so much credit where it’s clearly not due?1 The other day, Pope Benedict XVI accepted British Bishop Richard Williamson back into the church without any hesitation or penalty, despite the fact that the bishop openly denied the Holocaust. Then, after a furor of complaints, the Vatican yesterday demanded that the bishop recant.

Bishop Williamson infamously stated that “[t]he historical evidence… is hugely against 6 million Jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers.”

Papers are saying that the reaction is a sign of how much the Vatican had misread the public mood.

The public mood? Since when was the voice of God swayed not by God’s will, but by public mood?

What we have here is a failure to treat people like unelected politicians when that is all they are. The Pope, the Reverend Whatever, the Grand Poobah, Thomas Monson, Benny Hinn, whoever, should be treated with the same deference and respect given to people of the same caliber, like Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones, and other highly influential people who claimed to have some greater insight into the supernatural than everyone else, but who are, to the rational observer, merely mortal men prone to greed, hatred, racism, sexism, and self-righteousness.

UPDATE: More evidence and support of my notion that people rely way too heavily (which is any at all) on what the Vatican has to say has been cited by PZ Myers on Pharyngula:
Eluana Englaro has been in a vegetative state for 17 years, and her family has finally won the battle to take her off life support. Prime Minister of Italy Silvio Berlusconi consulted with the Vatican to impose an emergency decree blocking the suspension of life support, based on the excuse that she is “in the condition to have babies.”

This is a great example of why religion should not be respected by law, and how people still view the Vatican and Pope as some supreme authority on morality and other issues.

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UPDATE 2: Pope declares that condom use increases AIDS problem.

“You can’t resolve it with the distribution of condoms,” the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane headed to Yaounde. “On the contrary, it increases the problem.”

That’s a classic Pope line. Even John Paul II thought similarly about sex. But what really pisses me off is that the richest church in the world, to which its members tithe 10% of their income, has this to say about the economic difficulties facing those members:

The pope also said Tuesday that he intends to make an appeal for “international solidarity” for Africa in the face of the global economic downturn.

He said that while the church does not propose specific economic solutions, it can give “spiritual and moral” suggestions.

Describing the current crisis as the consequence of “a deficit of ethics in economic structures,” the pope said: “It is here that the church can make a contribution.”

Fucking bullshit.

State of Protest

  1. Take a look at claims of ultramontanism and papal infallibility, as well as reactions to the Pope’s declarations about morality, this brief note about how Pope John Paul II was a divider, not a uniter, and what Christopher Hitchens had to say about Jon Paul II. [<]

Britain vs. “Extreme Pornography”

Thursday, January 29th, 2009

Just as the U.S., with the surprising help of the Supreme Court, is starting to emerge from its shell of puritan genophobia, Britain is persisting in its state of paranoia and censorship with the passage of a new law, the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, that will make possessing “extreme pornography” (“any extreme image produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal”) illegal, as reported by Telegraph UK. In addition, another law, the Coroners and Justice Bill, will ban possession of any image involving sexual activity and children. These laws are reminiscent of the recent U.S. “COPA” law that would have made possession of cartoon images of children illegal if deemed pornographic. That law was effectively overturned by the Supreme Court.

In Britain, opponents are arguing that the comic book industry would be destroyed by such laws, because even mainstream comics like Batman, Judge Dredd, and much of Japanese Manga would fall under the ambiguous and overly harsh blanket censorship. The British government apparently defines an “extreme image” as any “grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise … obscene” moving or still depiction of someone any “reasonable person” would think real being sexually injured or engaging in sexual activity with an animal or corpse. (Because, you know, fictional corpses have rights, too!)

If you live in Britain, you might want to protest against this outrageous invasion of privacy, this blatant oppression and censorship based on religious extremism and fear.

State of Protest

More Intolerable Tolerance

Thursday, October 2nd, 2008

Pat Condell, the infamous British anti-religious humorist, recently posted a video on YouTube complaining about the increasing acceptance of Sharia law by the British government, and asking that viewers sign a petition against Sharia law in Britain. Being tolerant (of, apparently, only offended religious nutters), YouTube (owned by Google) banned the video.

In my August article, Intolerable Tolerance, I chastised the British government for allowing itself to be further perverted by religious-based law, all in the name of tolerance. I guess the Brits just don’t listen to the rational. Heck, let’s ban all the rationals!

Here’s the Pat Condell banned video:

Please also sign (if you’re British or live in Britain) the petition against Sharia law in Britain (not that it’ll do any good, but perhaps it’ll make some of us feel better about democracy or something).

Deadline for signing is October 4.

(by the way, Pat Condell is officially a State of Protest Hero)

Now can we get a petition to ban American nutters like Sarah Palin?

UK is “Lagging Behind” in the “I Would Die For My God” Category

Wednesday, September 10th, 2008

In this first video of the BBC program “What the World Thinks of God,”1 Jeremy Vine,2 the host, mentions repeatedly that Britain is “lagging behind in question after question” in terms of belief in God, belief in a creator being, and other pro-God belief questions.3 Finally, after reviewing the answers of the poll asking whether the respondent would “die for [his or her] God,” and finding that the UK finished second lowest in the poll, with 19% (“once again down at the bottom”) of the 10,000 people polled stating that they would die for their God, Vine questions the Bishop of Liverpool, James Jones: “The UK seems to be struggling. What’s going on?”

I’ll tell you what’s going on, Mr. Vine. The UK is certainly struggling, but not struggling to overcome the taint of atheism, as you so blatantly suggest. The poll results are a sign of the reasonable people of the UK struggling to overcome thousands of years of oppression and dogma forced upon the people by various churches and religions throughout history. The U.S. could learn a thing or two from the British in that regard (although its government is less noteworthy).

And Mr. Vine, perhaps, can learn a thing or two from Jonathan Miller, a British opera director and non-believer, when the host asks Mr. Miller, in the second video, “The very very big feature of our poll is that there is a huge majority for God. How do you feel about that as an atheist?”4

Although Miller rejects the badge and label of atheist, it seems for reasons of simplification, he ultimately accepts it (perhaps as a cultural necessity to distinguish him from believers), and he indicates that no [religion] had gotten to him before his “cognitive immune system got working.”

Vine then insisted on referring back to the polls, that they suggest that most people believe in God, and thus obviously a result of a massive collapse in the immune system Miller referred to.

Miller puts Vine in his place, “First of all, I don’t trust these sorts of media-driven polls.5 They always ask extremely simple-minded questions and get simple-minded answers. It’s never a way to really find out what the distribution of thoughts and opinions really is.” I agree with Miller. Our polling is killing our intellect. I don’t care how careful and unbiased a pollster is allegedly being, asking 10,000 people out of a country of over 50 million is not and cannot be a true representation of that country. Perhaps polling worked better when people were not so mobile or Internet-ready, or when, in a city of 10,000, you poll 100 (that’d be 1%), but polling 10,0006 out of a population of 50,000,000 is polling .02%. That’s not 2%! It’s two hundredths of a percent! It’s the equivalent of walking into a town of 5,000 inhabitants, asking the first person you see, “Do you believe in God?” and then asserting that all 4,999 residents of the town believe the same thing as that one person polled.

Regardless of the fact that Vine is one of the few openly Christian British television commentators, setting up a program to espouse his personal views while pretending to appeal to a neutral analysis of God-belief, using some of the most biased polls I’ve ever seen, is heinous and unprofessional, and BBC should be heavily criticized (or criticised, as the case may be) for airing such crap.7

Of course, not to be unfair, the U.S. has Fox News.8

Just for the fun of it, here’s what BBC posted of the poll:

Britain is one of the most secular nations in the world, a new poll in 10 countries finds

Levels of religious belief and activity in the UK are far lower than in almost all other countries surveyed across the globe in a special poll undertaken for the BBC.

The ICM poll of 10,000 people in the USA, UK, Israel, India, South Korea, Indonesia, Nigeria, Russia, Mexico and Lebanon was carried out for What the World Thinks of God – BBC TWO, Thursday 26 February, 9.00pm.

It reveals that only 46% of respondents in the UK said they have always believed in God – 27% less than the average.

Only Russia (42%) and South Korea (28%) were lower.

Furthermore just 52% of UK respondents believed God (or a Higher Power) created the universe, compared to 85% in the USA, 83% in Mexico, 99% in Indonesia and 96% in Lebanon.

The highest levels of belief are found in the poorer nations of Nigeria (98%), India (92%) and Indonesia (97%).

However, the USA – the richest nation polled – has a very high level of belief.

Only 13% of those polled in America said they found it hard to believe in God (a Higher power) when there was so much suffering in the world.

Yet this compares to more than half (52%) of those polled in the UK – the highest of all the countries – and more than twice the average. The figures for Lebanon were 2% and Nigeria 12%.

The survey found that only 19% of those in the UK said they would die for their God/beliefs.

This compares to 37% in Israel, 90% of those polled in Indonesia and Nigeria, and 71% in the USA and Lebanon.

A staggering 78% of those polled in the USA claimed to have studied religious texts, by far the largest figure, followed by 51% in Nigeria and 42% in the UK. This compares to an average of 33%.

The poll also looked at the place of religion in the world.

Almost a third (29%) of people in the UK believe that the world would be a more peaceful place without beliefs in God but very few people in other countries agreed.

Just 6% of those polled in America agreed with this view, 11% in Israel and 9% in India. The average across all ten countries was 10%.

Only 15% of those polled in America blamed people of other religions for much of the trouble in the world compared with more than a third (37%) in the UK and 33% in Israel.

This figure fell to 8% of those polled in Indonesia, 24% in Lebanon and 17% in India.

The poll also looked at levels of attendance at organised religious services in the UK compared to the rest of the world.

Across the ten countries, an average of 46% regularly attend a religious service but the figure was 21% in the UK, the second lowest behind Russia (7%).

The highest figure was 91% for Nigerians, with 54% in the USA.

Furthermore just 29% of UK respondents said they had been encouraged to believe in God by someone outside their family, compared with 57% in the USA.

With regards to prayer, a total of 95% of Nigerians polled said they prayed regularly as did 67% of those polled in the USA with further numbers praying occasionally at times of crisis.

28% in the UK said they prayed regularly and 41% in Israel.

However 25% of people in the UK and 29% of people in Israel said they never prayed.

The poll did reveal however that nearly 30% of all atheists polled admitted they prayed sometimes.

Asked whether a belief in a God/higher power makes for a better human being, well over 80% of people in most countries agreed, but by far the lowest figure was in the UK with just 56%.

Furthermore, just 42% of UK respondents believed God (or a higher power) judges their actions and the way they lived their lives compared to 76% in America, 72% in Israel, 81% in Nigeria and an average of 70%.

Exploring the issue of tolerance of different religions the poll found that more than 90% of all respondents in Nigeria, Indonesia and Lebanon believed their God was the only true God.

This compares to 70% in Israel and just 31% in the UK.

The majority of those polled when asked if they believed death was the end disagreed.

This was the case for more than half of the UK respondents (51%), 79% of those polled in Nigeria, 75% in Lebanon and 74% in the USA.

Looking at how attitudes change across different religions, the poll found that while 85% of Hindus and 83% of Muslims said they prayed regularly, only 65% of Christians did and barely a third (38%) of Jews.

When asked if their God was the only true God, 95% of Muslims said yes, compared with 68% of Christians and 66% of Jews.

But when asked if other religions were to blame for the troubles in the world, 34% of Jews agreed, while only 24% of Christians, 18% of Hindus and 14% of Muslims agreed.9

  1. What the World Thinks of God, BBC News. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/wtwtgod/default.stm [<]
  2. According to Wikipedia, “Vine is one of the most prominent openly Christian broadcasters in the UK and has also presented numerous religious-themed programmes for the BBC.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Vine [<]
  3. The poll questions start at about 6:45 in the first video. [<]
  4. At about 3:15. [<]
  5. Note the smirk on Vine’s face as they cut to him after that reply. Brilliant! [<]
  6. Interestingly enough, the poll doesn’t state specifically whether they polled 10,000 people in total, or 10,000 people per nation. If the former, that would be even more embarrassing of a statistic. If the latter, still an unrealistic and biased, useless bit of trivia, not fact. [<]
  7. Either now, or in 2004, when this program was first presented. [<]
  8. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed; and also see http://www.newshounds.us/ [<]
  9. BBC TWO’s What The World Thinks of God. http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2004/02_february/26/world_god.shtml [<]

How Much Is Too Much?

Friday, August 15th, 2008

Haven’t you heard it? If you’ve ever visited an atheist or skeptic forum, it’s quite likely that you have. It’s the “why won’t you leave us alone?” retort from believers. “Why do you hate us?” “Why do you hate God?” The more profound and underlying question we’ve been asked, and the question we should be asking ourselves, is, “How far should my activism reach, and why?”

You can scale the relative level of activism in most atheists similarly. Starting off as a believer, or at least a follower, we are quite often sure of ourselves. Perhaps we haven’t encountered any opposing points of view. Perhaps we’re stubborn. Perhaps we’re overwhelmed by the religious beliefs and practices of our families. Whatever the case, many of us start off on the theist end of the spectrum, and are quite often advocates of that way of life and belief.

Then we’re hit with some sort of doubt. Bart Erhman, for instance, was awestruck by the fact that the icon of his belief system, the Holy Bible, was severely flawed with contradictions, rewrites, and surreptitiously inserted new passages. How could the bible be inerrant, how could a real god endorse such a mishmash of not only contradictory but also violent and cruel edicts? Doubting is the catalyst that causes us to self-reflect, and to analyze all that we know about what we’ve been told. It’s required for the next stage of development – agnosticism.

Perhaps I’ve intentionally skipped a few minor middle steps, but the phase between doubt and disbelief encompasses a variety of positions, depending on the individual, from confusion to agnosticism to denial to relapse. I like to call this phase the “I don’t know” phase, which is why I associate it with agnosticism.

Eventually, hopefully, we reach a point at which we question why we’re even bothering with the question of “is there a god?” We realize that, since there’s no empirical evidence of the existence of, at minimum, the divine beings alluded to in every god myth, we narrow our scope of world view to two main areas:

First, the area of spirituality. This isn’t to say that spirituality exists or it doesn’t. It’s a concept, and there comes a time where most of us in some way address whether it has meaning to us. When a loved one dies, do you think he or she “goes to a better place?” How do you fit that into your world view? Do you think there is something invisible that is greater than you? Do you think there is destiny, fate, karma? These are things that even agnostics question, even after having rejected their former god of choice, and it’s something that, until all our questions are satisfactorily answered by science, we will be inclined to address.

What matters about that area of interest is that it may help determine your level of acceptance of certain types of activism, because even without a god or doctrine to guide you morally, you may reach for a more metaphysical state of moral choice based on your concepts of spirituality. Hardline skeptics and atheists tend to eschew this point of view, but they cannot deny that people are habitually, if not naturally, sentimental toward the supernatural and spiritual potential in the world.

Second, the area of society. This is not what you think, but how you deal with what others think, and how they deal with what you think, and the acts based upon such thought. This is your relationship with, essentially, the rest of the world. More specifically, it’s what’s mutually tangible. What kinds of laws, regulations, taboos, etc., affect you, and what kind of effect you can have. On our scale of development, this is often a stopping point (or sometimes a starting point for those who were never theists to begin with). It’s a plateau representing a static world view, with no inclination to have that world view affect society.

Beyond that plateau, there is a minority of skeptics, rationals, atheists who attempt to influence society in a variety of ways. The extent to which one is active is often based on the extent to which one has rejected religion. So, there are varying degrees of activism (degrees of intensity) and varying methods of activism. And there’s at least one person or group of people out there in the world opposed to every single type. Surprisingly, many are from the set of non-believers.

The degrees of intensity can be described in another abridged scale: start with the “closet” atheists, who, although in their own minds are atheists, either deny that fact to others, or try to hide it, lest they be reprimanded, punished, or shunned by family, work, friends, or others. Sometimes these closet atheists end up creating alternate identities for use on the Internet, a place in which they can freely express opinions without coming under personal attack. The next level is the avowed atheist — someone who isn’t afraid to tell others, but who doesn’t necessarily seek out others in order to tell them. Next is the conversational atheist — someone who actively tells others, perhaps seeking them out, in order to tell them about non-belief. That category can be split between those who seek just to converse and share ideas, and those who are on the fringes of being active deconverters.

Proactive deconversion is the next level, and it shares its spot with proactive lobbying — efforts either to convert believers into non-believers, or efforts to create a society where law, the government, and public places are secular. My opinion is that this is where most non-believers choose to draw the line. Beyond that line lies anti-religious activism. This is an activist state that actively attempts to purge society of all (or most) things religious. This category can be split between targeting only religious activities that cause specific harm, and targeting all religious activities, regardless of perceived harm (with the idea that all aspects of religion are harmful, because they’re religious).

An example of the latter point of view is where, recently, the Swedish government is making it illegal for any school, public or private, to teach religion as if it were true.1

There are two more primary levels of activism. Next is targeting everyone, treating religion as a disease, in a sense, and trying to disinfect everyone, even parents who want to teach their children about religion. In 2001, Richard Dawkins wrote a letter to the British secretary of state, asking that the faith status of existing schools be removed, allowing children to choose for themselves what to believe, in a non-religious school environment.2 Essentially, wipe away religious schooling institutions, and eliminate faith-based labeling for children, despite parental wishes. This is a step further in the direction of activism because, unlike Sweden’s attempt to eliminate teaching of religion “as if it were true,” Dawkins (at least then) advocates eliminating religion as a label of any sort — no religious institutions at all, no parental force-feeding of religion, and especially no state-based advocacy of religious belief.

Christopher Hitchens is even a more ardent supporter of this “no religion” point of view. Even from the title of his best selling book “God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything,” one can infer that Hitchens decries all things religious, and would probably, if in a position to do so, wipe the world clean of religious practice (but for the sake of scholarship, not religious history, I’m sure). Some would call this “militant atheism.” My view is that that term is misused, and should apply only to the final niche in the spectrum of activism.

Real militant atheism is literally taking up a weapon and fighting those who support religion, and in some cases those who merely don’t support real militant atheism. Consider the Crusades. Real militant atheism is similar. It’s a purge of religion, similar to what Hitchens seems to desire, but instead of doing so through legal means, it’s doing so with violence. Have we seen much of this? Hardly. Perhaps none at all, at least in what’s commonly displayed on the news. There are countries, though, that will torture and kill some believers.3 There are also, assuredly, individuals and factions worldwide who, like their religious counterparts, would take up arms in order to fight for what they consider to be freedom from religion (especially if they think that a purported secular government has overly mingled its affairs with religion, effectively creating a theocracy).

Inevitably, those who fall somewhere on the active side of the scale will be directly or indirectly criticized for such activism by those who believe they are the targets. Here’s a fine, succinct, example of what I mean, thanks to Atheist Eve:

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To be an activist at any level, one must expect some criticism. My analysis here isn’t about criticism, however, it’s more about ethics. Obviously, the more advanced on the activism scale, the more criticism, but is there a point on the scale that clearly goes too far?

One potential way to analyze what’s an appropriate level of activism is to consider what “the other side” is doing or has done to promote religion. Religious groups have been spending centuries sending missionaries all over the world, establishing churches, shrines, meeting places. They’ve been creating supposed charitable organizations and activities, hospitals, (and in Mother Theresa’s case, places to go suffer and die), youth organizations, private schools, camps, heavily funded lobbying groups, and more. They’ve started and perpetuated military campaigns, sometimes backed by governments, sometimes by radical militants outside of the government. Entire nations currently sway with the religious breezes blown by zealots on both sides. What hasn’t been done in the name of religion? If we are to take the religious as examples of anything, it’s that they have overwhelmingly dotted the landscape of history and the world with religious activism spanning the entire scale. Therefore, citing what the religious are doing or have done is not a good way to measure the ethicalness of our own activist behavior.

Another way to think about where we should fall on the scale is from the consequentialist point of view. Let’s not think too much about what we’re doing on the small scale (whether it be handing out atheist pamphlets or assassinating religious zealot leaders), but what we’re trying to accomplish for the sake of humanity. This point of view may require the activist not only to believe that religion is wrong, but also that religion is so harmful that it must be eliminated by any means necessary. However, that is not the only side one can take as a consequentialist. It could be believed that a well-balanced world is, in the long run, more beneficial for humanity, and that the actions that must be taken should be limited to those which would ultimately treat religion and non-religion as essentially equal. There are those who already think this is the case, and there are those who think that we have a long way to go to accomplish something even close to a balance. Consequentialism, is, then, too ambiguous and subjective to use as a guideline. The same could probably be said of any utilitarian theory — they’re all quite subjective, and goal-oriented.

Let’s just say that I carried on with an analysis of every ethical theory that I could come up with. I don’t think I would find a satisfactory answer to my query. The reason? I don’t know all there is to know. I don’t know and I cannot know what’s in store for humanity. I only know what I’ve seen, what’s occurring right now, and what has apparently occurred in the past, with regard to the rife between secularism and religion, and the firm grasp that religious groups have on so many aspects of the world today. I’m not advocating violence or war on behalf of non-religion. What I’m saying is that I’m not quite sure that it’s unethical, depending on the situation, and from whose point of view it is making the decision.

Most assuredly, though, if the religious zealots of my nation stood up in arms and attempted to create a theocracy by force, I would retaliate in kind. I think that’s essentially happening in some parts of the world today. What’s happening here is that the religious have infused themselves into the government and essential positions in society in order to perpetuate that hold on power and control, and we, as rationals, as skeptics, as atheists, need to do at least the minimum of what it takes to reverse that trend and keep it reversed, regardless of any criticism from any source. I just can’t tell you exactly how that’s to be done, and how far we need to go in order to get it done.

  1. God’s Honest Truth, Andrew Brown, Guardian.co.uk. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/18/godshonesttruth [<]
  2. Children must choose their own beliefs, Richard Dawkins, Guardian.co.uk. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2001/dec/30/schools.religion [<]
  3. China, among others, has had a blemished history of military-backed opposition to religion. [<]