Comments on: How Much Is Too Much? http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/ Rational Activism at Work Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:29:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Militant Atheists Riot Over Agnostic Parade -State of Protest http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-12328 Militant Atheists Riot Over Agnostic Parade -State of Protest Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:42:26 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-12328 [...] all sounds rather silly, doesn’t it? Also see this and this. [...] [...] all sounds rather silly, doesn’t it? Also see this and this. [...]

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By: Nick http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-4147 Nick Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:25:27 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-4147 Procustes- Here, just for kicks and giggles i'll review each site. Sadly i can't go through each and every one of them at the moment because im disprooving a paper right now and concentrating more-so on that. Sorry. Clearly the first one is pretty pointless as to when what was created. And as for Adam was supposed to die for eating the fruit, it was a spiritual death, which is basically eternal separation from God. As for the first one on the second website. Nice paraphrase of the bible. I just LOVE it when people do that. Try reading the entire chapter or even the whole book of Jeremiah and get back to me. Third one. WOW. "Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor." " So why all the '...'s? Are we leaving something out here? http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/allthings.html ABSOLUTELY pathetic. I'm sorry but in the first example thats the very end of a verse. Post the whole thing next time. And for the second one, AGAIN, keep reading. "When the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth..." Wanna be patient? Wow. You seriously want me to even bother with this when all the verses have either ... before them or ... after them? Find me some REAL contradictions. Not Then...Jesus...Killed...Sheep... Spider- Wanna explain to me my own double standards? Please do. I'm actually sort of confused. How can you view abortion as anything BUT killing infants? That's ALL it is. Again, sure put whatever fancy name you want on it but it all comes down to the same thing. Mabye i need to explain the procedure to you? Gee, I love when people twist my words. True Christian isn't defined as "One who's okay with obscene art exhibits as long as they don't have to go". I clearly stated that its your right to go look at that "Art". I don't find it to be right but like I said i havnt seen any true christian boycotting. When i say this i mean, not the crazy guy outside screaming "End of the world! Accept Jesus!!!" Procustes-
Here, just for kicks and giggles i’ll review each site. Sadly i can’t go through each and every one of them at the moment because im disprooving a paper right now and concentrating more-so on that. Sorry. Clearly the first one is pretty pointless as to when what was created. And as for Adam was supposed to die for eating the fruit, it was a spiritual death, which is basically eternal separation from God. As for the first one on the second website. Nice paraphrase of the bible. I just LOVE it when people do that. Try reading the entire chapter or even the whole book of Jeremiah and get back to me. Third one. WOW. “Exodus 32:27 “Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor.” ” So why all the ‘…’s? Are we leaving something out here?
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/allthings.html
ABSOLUTELY pathetic. I’m sorry but in the first example thats the very end of a verse. Post the whole thing next time. And for the second one, AGAIN, keep reading. “When the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth…” Wanna be patient? Wow. You seriously want me to even bother with this when all the verses have either … before them or … after them? Find me some REAL contradictions. Not Then…Jesus…Killed…Sheep…

Spider-
Wanna explain to me my own double standards? Please do. I’m actually sort of confused.
How can you view abortion as anything BUT killing infants? That’s ALL it is. Again, sure put whatever fancy name you want on it but it all comes down to the same thing. Mabye i need to explain the procedure to you? Gee, I love when people twist my words. True Christian isn’t defined as “One who’s okay with obscene art exhibits as long as they don’t have to go”. I clearly stated that its your right to go look at that “Art”. I don’t find it to be right but like I said i havnt seen any true christian boycotting. When i say this i mean, not the crazy guy outside screaming “End of the world! Accept Jesus!!!”

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By: spider http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-4139 spider Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:06:46 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-4139 Nick, the cartoon is parody. The hyperbole is deliberate. It's to make a point about double standards that you seem to display just fine. "But i dont see anyone going around saying “ARREST SOMEONE THEY SUPPORT KILLING BABIES.”" No, but you surely see them picketing abortion clinics and saying far worse things. Someone has even taken the initiative to kill a doctor who performed abortions. Oh, we should be so lucky that arrest would be the worst they called for. No, the point isn't whether they're saying "arrest them" or "off with their heads" - the point is that they're out there, like you, making incredible and unqualified accusations of "baby killing" or being immoral or waging a war on christmas, but then crying persecution if anyone suggests they keep their religion out of schools or government. Free speech is a two way street, and isn't really complete without secularism. And please don't insult our intelligence with the True Christian schtick. The people who boycott or try to block things on moralistic grounds consider themselves True Christians, and think anyone who disagrees can't really be a True Christian. How do you define a True Christian? One who's okay with obscene art exhibits as long as they don't have to go? Nick, the cartoon is parody. The hyperbole is deliberate. It’s to make a point about double standards that you seem to display just fine.

“But i dont see anyone going around saying “ARREST SOMEONE THEY SUPPORT KILLING BABIES.”” No, but you surely see them picketing abortion clinics and saying far worse things. Someone has even taken the initiative to kill a doctor who performed abortions. Oh, we should be so lucky that arrest would be the worst they called for. No, the point isn’t whether they’re saying “arrest them” or “off with their heads” – the point is that they’re out there, like you, making incredible and unqualified accusations of “baby killing” or being immoral or waging a war on christmas, but then crying persecution if anyone suggests they keep their religion out of schools or government. Free speech is a two way street, and isn’t really complete without secularism.

And please don’t insult our intelligence with the True Christian schtick. The people who boycott or try to block things on moralistic grounds consider themselves True Christians, and think anyone who disagrees can’t really be a True Christian. How do you define a True Christian? One who’s okay with obscene art exhibits as long as they don’t have to go?

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By: Procrustes http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-4138 Procrustes Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:38:28 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-4138 Nick said, "Name me 1 contradiction" Here, Nick. Have a few dozen: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html Oh, and here, too: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html And here: http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra And here: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html And here: http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html And, hey, why trust any of them, when you can consult an actual biblical scholar: http://www.bartdehrman.com/ Nick said, “Name me 1 contradiction”

Here, Nick. Have a few dozen:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html

Oh, and here, too:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

And here:

http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

And here:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

And here:

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/contradictions.html

And, hey, why trust any of them, when you can consult an actual biblical scholar:

http://www.bartdehrman.com/

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By: Nick http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-4117 Nick Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:51:43 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-4117 "the Holy Bible, was severely flawed with contradictions, rewrites, and surreptitiously inserted new passages." Really? Name me 1 contradiction. :) As for the comic. just wow. You say we as Christians are blowing things out of proportion and you post that? Baby killing is basically what pro-choice and pro-abortion supports. Call it whatever fancy name you want it all comes down to killing infants. But i dont see anyone going around saying "ARREST SOMEONE THEY SUPPORT KILLING BABIES." And as for the second slide i can say one thing. It was Adam and EVE not Adam and STEVE. Yea Gay and Lesbianism is wrong, but somehow it has gotten the whole "being gay or lesbian is cool now". How did that happen? Third slide...If you want to flame yourselves and call yourselves agents of Satan go ahead. If you want the truth we don't hate you or despise you. We pray for you. Yea you won't appreciate it but it's kind of like asking that God help you :) And God in schools and government? Hasn't he always been there? Oh wait i already made this arguement in another silly little blog. Slide 4...You wanna go look at "obscene art" thats your choice. Yea it's wrong but I dont see any true Christians boycotting or rebelling against them. Notice i said TRUE Christians. Slide 4...And you have that right, however you choose to exercise it. You don't see us out on the street killing Muslims or Jews do you? And don't EVEN think about bringing up the Crusades because you will loose that arguement against me aswell. But really feel free to email me. nickfaith@gmail.com Slide 5... People like this are weak and sensitive and don't have a good understanding of God. Sadly, aparently that is the sterotypical christian nowadays. tsk tsk. “the Holy Bible, was severely flawed with contradictions, rewrites, and surreptitiously inserted new passages.”
Really? Name me 1 contradiction. :)

As for the comic. just wow. You say we as Christians are blowing things out of proportion and you post that? Baby killing is basically what pro-choice and pro-abortion supports. Call it whatever fancy name you want it all comes down to killing infants. But i dont see anyone going around saying “ARREST SOMEONE THEY SUPPORT KILLING BABIES.”

And as for the second slide i can say one thing. It was Adam and EVE not Adam and STEVE. Yea Gay and Lesbianism is wrong, but somehow it has gotten the whole “being gay or lesbian is cool now”. How did that happen?

Third slide…If you want to flame yourselves and call yourselves agents of Satan go ahead. If you want the truth we don’t hate you or despise you. We pray for you. Yea you won’t appreciate it but it’s kind of like asking that God help you :) And God in schools and government? Hasn’t he always been there? Oh wait i already made this arguement in another silly little blog.

Slide 4…You wanna go look at “obscene art” thats your choice. Yea it’s wrong but I dont see any true Christians boycotting or rebelling against them. Notice i said TRUE Christians.

Slide 4…And you have that right, however you choose to exercise it. You don’t see us out on the street killing Muslims or Jews do you? And don’t EVEN think about bringing up the Crusades because you will loose that arguement against me aswell. But really feel free to email me. nickfaith@gmail.com

Slide 5… People like this are weak and sensitive and don’t have a good understanding of God. Sadly, aparently that is the sterotypical christian nowadays. tsk tsk.

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By: State of Protest » Should We Boycott the Brainless? http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-3873 State of Protest » Should We Boycott the Brainless? Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:41:28 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-3873 [...] I’ve advocated boycotting stores that support evangelical right-wing fundamentalist entities,1 and I firmly believe in doing everything possible to remove the taint of religion from the decision-making process of government and its presence in our law, public schools, and courthouses. I’ve also asked the question, how far should we rational thinkers go in countering religion?2 [...] [...] I’ve advocated boycotting stores that support evangelical right-wing fundamentalist entities,1 and I firmly believe in doing everything possible to remove the taint of religion from the decision-making process of government and its presence in our law, public schools, and courthouses. I’ve also asked the question, how far should we rational thinkers go in countering religion?2 [...]

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By: Procrustes http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-3454 Procrustes Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:52:23 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-3454 Mini, It's not my cartoon. I credited the creator. Also, where's the irony? Oh, one more thing, do you have any actual criticism of what's being stated in the cartoon? Mini, It’s not my cartoon. I credited the creator. Also, where’s the irony?

Oh, one more thing, do you have any actual criticism of what’s being stated in the cartoon?

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By: Mini http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-3450 Mini Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:47:00 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-3450 I love how you portray the athiest in your cartoon as an innocent sweet little girl. Oh the irony. I love how you portray the athiest in your cartoon as an innocent sweet little girl. Oh the irony.

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By: Stephen Newport http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-3385 Stephen Newport Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:54:59 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-3385 I disagree with the multiple posts that claim violence is always bad (in an immoral sense). Violence is the only answer when hands are around your throat. But it should be treated as a last resort. Fighting is necessary when one or more threaten your freedom or someone you love (be it family, friend, country, humanity). And there is nothing wrong with a "Militant Atheism" so long as they are only fighting when theists try and take away the freedom to their private lives. The crusades were different in that atheists were killed because they believed something different. A fight by Militant Atheist's would not be for the purpose of 'detoxicating' but rather removing the hand from our throats. Would the world be better without religion? Yes, but not at the cost of losing freedom. It should be as it always should have been: do what you will with yourself, but not with me. As Ayn Rand spoke so eloquently: "Man is niether to be obeyed nor to be commanded." If this boundary is crossed, fighting is the only hope to regain freedom. Nice article. It approaches the subject with grace (slightly too much, maybe, but at least honestly) I disagree with the multiple posts that claim violence is always bad (in an immoral sense). Violence is the only answer when hands are around your throat. But it should be treated as a last resort.

Fighting is necessary when one or more threaten your freedom or someone you love (be it family, friend, country, humanity). And there is nothing wrong with a “Militant Atheism” so long as they are only fighting when theists try and take away the freedom to their private lives. The crusades were different in that atheists were killed because they believed something different. A fight by Militant Atheist’s would not be for the purpose of ‘detoxicating’ but rather removing the hand from our throats.

Would the world be better without religion? Yes, but not at the cost of losing freedom. It should be as it always should have been: do what you will with yourself, but not with me. As Ayn Rand spoke so eloquently:

“Man is niether to be obeyed nor to be commanded.”

If this boundary is crossed, fighting is the only hope to regain freedom.

Nice article. It approaches the subject with grace (slightly too much, maybe, but at least honestly)

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By: Carnival of the Godless # 99 « Oz Atheist’s Weblog http://www.stateofprotest.com/morality/how-much-is-too-much/#comment-2920 Carnival of the Godless # 99 « Oz Atheist’s Weblog Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:16:32 +0000 http://www.stateofprotest.com/?p=108#comment-2920 [...] presents How Much Is Too Much? posted at State of Protest. A critical analysis of the scale of rational activism, from closet to [...] [...] presents How Much Is Too Much? posted at State of Protest. A critical analysis of the scale of rational activism, from closet to [...]

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