Archive for September, 2008

Nix Church Tax Exemption as Solution to Economic Crisis?

Monday, September 29th, 2008

Certainly the issue regarding pastors flouting the tax law against political sermons1 is raising some attention. Should churches be allowed to preach politics and still get tax breaks? What about free speech? Etc. Valid arguments all around.

Well, valid if you still think the rubber-stamp tax break to churches is, in any way, valid in itself. If, on the other hand, you’re like me, and you think that no religious entity should get a tax break merely because it’s a religious entity, then why are we even belaboring the point of whether pastors can use the pulpit as a political soap box?

Here’s what I want to know:

1. How much money would the government receive in taxes if it nixed the tax exempt status for all religious organizations?

2. Would there be any negative consequences of nixing the tax exemption that would exceed the benefit of the extra tax taken in?

3. What would be the harm, say, in testing it for a few years?

4. If we took the “okay, I’m overreaching here in my pipe dream hopes” mask off, is this something we could realistically hope to see in the next ten, twenty years?

5. If, instead of raising taxes for the general public, we nixed the tax exemption for religious organizations, could we get to the point where the personal income tax could actually be lowered as a result of the extra taxes received from religious organizations?

6. What is the reason religious organizations received tax exempt status in the first place? Was it a valid reason when it was instituted? Is it a valid reason now? Doesn’t it violate the First Amendment?

7. When non-believers ask “What can I do to be active?”, can we eventually get to the point where we can answer, “Join this huge non-believer movement to end tax breaks for all churches!”?

If you can answer any of these questions, or have some of your own, please share! I’ll be amending this article as I receive input (from others or my own research). I think it’s about time we make an impact, and this is one serious impact that would benefit everyone.

Better than a bailout?

StOP

  1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/28/AR2008092802365.html [<]

Should We Boycott the Brainless?

Tuesday, September 23rd, 2008

Note: This is one of the places that I learned the lesson I am trying to share with other self-proclaimed skeptics today. So, if your kids are fearing sculptures of DNA, now’s your chance to learn well the lesson of Poe Read below for more details.
(Article Updated below!)

I’ve advocated boycotting stores that support evangelical right-wing fundamentalist entities,1 and I firmly believe in doing everything possible to remove the taint of religion from the decision-making process of government and its presence in our law, public schools, and courthouses. I’ve also asked the question, how far should we rational thinkers go in countering religion?2

Today, I ask, should we also figure out who the brainless are, and boycott them, even if they’re not politicians or evangelists or school board members?

What if you were fond of a certain actor’s work, and you read an interview where that actor was asked, “When was the earth created?”, and the actor responded, “about 4000 B.C., but possibly 10,000 years ago”? Would you seriously consider not watching movies in which that actor starred? Take, for example, Tom Cruise, who, at least publicly, asserts the belief in the existence of an alien being god-equivalent, and all the other nonsense with which Scientology brainwashes its victims.3 Certainly, he got some heckling and negative reaction to his odd behavior and beliefs, but that didn’t incredibly diminish his standing as a Hollywood A-Star. Where he truly got criticized, though, is when he tried to tell others how to live their lives — don’t take pharmaceuticals; don’t see psychiatrists, etc. That imposition on his part was the equivalent, to many, of an offense.

Something gave me a slight shock today. It was the same shock I endured when I read about Ben Stein (whom I actually enjoyed as the brainiac on Win Ben Stein’s Money) extolling the virtues of his pro-Creationist movie Expelled. I had thought to myself, “This must be a joke.” After I was convinced that it wasn’t, I told myself that I’d do my best to avoid ever sending that man a dime. Today’s shock was similar, and I’m curious as to whether there is or should be a distinction that would discourage me from employing the same reaction.

Q. When was the earth created?

A. Archbishop James Usher, working out a chronology from the Bible, calculated in 1654 that the earth was created on the night of October 23, 4004 B.C. Other timetables reach back as far as 10,000 years.

Who answered this way? A priest? An evangelist? Sarah Palin? It could have been any of those, and more. But what’s shocking is that it was uttered, as it were, by the Pulitzer Prize-winning American film critic and screenwriter Roger Ebert.

“What about oil and coal…?”, he’s asked. “They are evidence of a Great Flood,” he replies. Apparently he firmly believes that a fossil claimed to be 200 million years old shows a shoe print, proving that all layers of sediment were laid down all at once, about 4,400 years ago.

Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon Man? “Created at the same time as man.”

And 600-year-old Noah had an Ark filled with pairs of 5,400 land-based mammal species, plus eight people (from whom we are all descended). Dinosaurs walked the earth with man, but drowned in the Flood. 4

At first, again, I thought this was a joke. This couldn’t be Roger Ebert’s own website! I opened a new browser window, typed in “rogerebert.com” and clicked my way back to the Commentary. Okay, it could be a hack attack, sure, but this time, there’s no Rickroll, and it coincided with Ebert’s Roman Catholicism. Fine. He’s a young-earther. The question, though, is whether I should ever listen to the man’s suggestions again. It’s not like I was previously an Ebert fan, but I did occasionally catch his show and I listened. Now he has books and other writings about movies.

Should my rejection of his beliefs as being brainless give me reason to reject everything about him? If yes, then is it my responsibility to determine the world view of anyone with whom I interact, in order to accept or reject that person? If no, then where do I draw the line, and why? I know that when I see a Televangelist, I reject that person by changing the channel (and usually by griping). Someone like Sarah Palin, who is oh so objectionable for many other reasons, I initially reject based on her biblical literalism. Even if she appeared experienced and wise in other matters, I probably wouldn’t want her visiting my home or serving as Vice President if she outwardly (and more frighteningly inwardly) believed in and advocated belief in Creationism.

So, is my line a finely drawn one, based exclusively on whether a person is using belief to infringe upon my way of life, or is it a broader, grayer line that also includes rejection based on affiliation as well as infringement? Is the latter sort of line an acceptable one for someone who purports to be a rational thinker? Perhaps I favor the latter because the mere existence of those who believe in such nonsense are a potential threat, whether direct or indirect (I mean, they make lots of babies, and they indoctrinate those babies in “the way,” so the threat of suffocation by superpopulation could warrant some reaction). I think I honestly could use a bit of guidance on this issue.

UPDATE:

Invisible Quotation Marks

This seems to be a Poe’s Law trend. I wonder why.

Apparently, on his online journal, Roger Ebert has written a scathing rebuttal to the criticism and misunderstood responses filling the web full of vitriol over his pro-Creationism FAQ, stating that his purpose in writing the apparently facetious FAQ was to “to discuss the gradual decay of our sense of irony and instinct for satire, and our growing credulity.”5

Bravo?

It seems Ebert was more than disappointed with evolutionists, who took him at his word (how dare we!), when he concluded, “The adventure with the Creationism article has been enlightening, and a little depressing. I expected better from evolutionists.”

To his credit, however, he did admit not being aware of that little nugget of emoticonology that would have made the distinction between what’s commonly accepted as blind faith and extremely subtle satire, described by Poe’s Law. Ebert wrote, “A postscript and confession. As I said, everyone has blind spots. Many of my supporters cited Poe’s Law, which I was completely unfamiliar with.”

So, the scoreboard for Roger Ebert looks a bit confusing. +10 for decent movie reviews, -10 for wacky Creationist rhetoric (without even a hint of invisible quotation marks visible to anyone but six of his loyal readers?), -10 for insulting the rest of us for not “getting it”, +10 for admitting that maybe we had a pretty good reason for not “getting it” (via our dutiful nod to Poe’s Law), and perhaps +5 for taking the time to explain his reasoning in a lengthy and descriptive journal entry. So, Mr. Ebert, I leave you with +5. And I probably won’t boycott you, since I think your intentions were ultimately good.

One thumb up, one thumb kinda sideways, unsure of where to point.

What’s even more enlightening is the variety of responses to Ebert’s journal entry, ranging from “Oh, I knew what you were doing,” to “I honestly thought you might be telling the truth.” I’ll quote a few excerpts (all from the same page):

As you mention in your article, I did see the quotation marks in your article. But it was based on a ridiculously thorough reading of your previous writings (I haven’t taken the time to search your reviews for the term ‘Creationism’ but I am positive you’ve slighted the concept previously). I knew enough to think “This is so inherently ridiculous that Roger does not need to add any text stating so.” But I will confess that if I stumbled upon the article without a diploma in Ebertology, I’d have been duped. The old adage “Consider the source” made me look smart.

Oh, and in later the same thread, I bemoaned your use of an emoticon as the fall of the last bastion of grammatical holdout. Now I see that it may have been a concession to the above. -Mike S.

Mr. Ebert:

Point taken.

You actually had me going for a while.

However, the problem as I see it is that your satire was indistinguishable from the real thing. Creationists actually believe this nonsense, and they repeat it constantly.

As such, there was reason to believe that you actually believed what you wrote. Especially for someone like me, who had no idea about your actual position on the matter.

You could of course counter with “why didn’t you research it, then?”, to which I reply: Because, again, what you wrote was what a creationist would have written. -Wapper

The problem with the article is that it mimics claims made by Creationists perfectly. That’s not satire. Satire contains an element of the absurd; Creationism is already absurd, recited with a straight face.

By your own standards, we should regard Ben Stein’s EXPELLED as satire. After all, we have a preconceived notion of Stein from his Comedy Central game show. Shouldn’t we expect him to be reasonable? I did. I think my preconceived notion of Stein was valid, which explained the almost universal surprise when his movie came out. Nobody expected Stein to take up such an insane stance. My reaction to your own article was the same: I can’t believe it, but I’ve seen smart people say the same dumb things before. -John W.

I’ll admit, Mr. Ebert, I was so busy worrying about the thought that one of my favorite intellectuals had gone over to the academic dark side that I missed the quotation-marks. I think Poe’s Law is a very apt observation (second in importance to all-wise Godwin’s Law). When such an emotionally charged issue as fundamentalism vs. empiricism arises we tend find ourselves blinded by our gut reaction, forgetting there’s probably a “wink wink, nudge nudge” in there somewhere. In retrospect, I can look over the article and crack a grin at the absurdity of believing that you had jumped the fence. Comments like Noah’s age, and your “steadfast” belief in the story of the Ark, combined with your assertion that man and dinosaur had roamed the Earth at the same time should have slapped me into awareness given your past articles. -Gene D.

Do you really believe that any of what you have written is outlandish enough to pass as satire in an age when 67% of Americans believe in the existence of angels and you have a woman running for vice president who’s a member of a cult that speaks in tongues ?
I say you are entirely out of touch with the reality of relgious thinking in this country. -Issitoq

One need only look at the reaction to the recent New Yorker cover featuring the painting of the Obamas to see that we’re living in a world where irony, sarcasm, and satire are no longer appreciated. As an Obama supporter, I thought it was a brilliant counterattack against the types of people who believe and perpetuate the crazy rumors about the Obamas, and I was sure the readers of the New Yorker would feel the same. But, I quickly realized that many didn’t get the joke, and many of those who did were still incensed because they felt that the Obama detractors wouldn’t—and would just use the cover to further their own cause. I just sighed with disappointment as I wrote this. -Jason

so basically you were trolling. How “clever” of you. And yes, i meant you to see the quotation marks there. -Ian Rennie

Roger, I’ve been a devoted and regular reader of your site since I was 13 years old. I know full well what you think of creationism and your love of all things Darwin since you’ve mentioned it many times- and your article confused and shocked ME!

You really had me worried for a few minutes and I knew what you thought of evolution vs. creationism and figured it *had* to be satire- so you can’t blame other readers.

Now, I knew that you must have been being ironic since I knew you couldn’t possibly be serious but I didn’t see the joke, try as I could. It sounded like you were being serious.

Except for the moose line, that is.

It’s not a good joke if even people who know you have to be kidding don’t understand it. -Agatha

StOP

  1. Don’t Buy Their BS, and Don’t Buy Their Stuff, http://www.stateofprotest.com/2007/12/07/dont-buy-their-bs-and-dont-buy-their-stuff/ [<]
  2. How Much is Too Much? http://www.stateofprotest.com/2008/08/15/how-much-is-too-much/ [<]
  3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cruise#Scientology [<]
  4. Roger Ebert quotes from RogerEbert.com, http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/COMMENTARY/809219997 [<]
  5. http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/09/this_is_the_dawning_of_the_age.html?swift [<]

May God Bless America, and May He Protect Our Troops?

Tuesday, September 16th, 2008

Because, well, we obviously can’t protect them.

Why does Joe Biden, in his very powerful, very informative, very motivational speech, end with such a heavy religious tone? He did mention “God” a few times in the speech, but only in the “God forbid” sense, as in “God forbid your wife have the baby prematurely, which would cost you $250,000.” The “God Bless America” “motto” has been so overworn, that even atheists seem tired of arguing against its use. But “May He protect our troops”? We have Joe Biden arguing vehemently against voting for John McCain, for many reasons, among which is that McCain has voted against increasing various VA benefits in the past, and has generally (90%) sided with President Bush, the sole reason our troops are in current jeopardy.


(check out the last minute)

Joe Biden says, effectively, don’t vote for McCain — he won’t protect our troops. Vote for Obama and me, because we will.

And then he asks God to do it, instead.

What kind of spiel is that? What if we trim the peculiarities of this situation down to something simple to analyze and compare. What if you had been keeping your pay, in cash, under your mattress, and then decided that it might be safer in a bank. You talk to the bank manager and ask about the bank’s security. The bank manager says, “Our security is the best. If you keep your money in any other bank, there’s a chance that it’ll get stolen, and if you keep your money in your mattress, it could get burned up in a fire or stolen. It’s much safer here, with us.” You ask, “What makes your bank more secure?” The bank manager smiles, “Well, friend, God protects it!”

Would you seriously keep your money in that bank? Is there really a difference between that and Biden’s appeal to God? You know, by the bank manager’s appearance and actions, that the bank manager will actually put your money in a safe, digitize it, and protect it physically. The assurance that God is on the bank’s side has really nothing to do with whether your money will be kept safe. Biden assures us that Obama and his decisions will be beneficial to the nation. I don’t doubt that he’s sincere. But why should the assertion that God is on the side of America, on the side of Obama and Biden, make anyone feel any better about anything?

How on Earth should Christians feel? McCain and Palin claim to be on God’s side (or is that “God on our side,” Gov. Palin?), and, it seems, Obama and Biden are also on God’s side. Is God on both sides? Is God straddling the fence? Has God actually chosen a side? If you, as a Christian, change your mind, is that because God changed His mind, or did God change His mind because you did? Or did you just misinterpret God’s message?

By the way, if God happens to tell you who is going to win the NFL games this coming week, please let me know.

Is there a way that Biden could have finished off his speech with some secular finesse, and not pissed off the moderate religious hopeful voters? Is his statement really trying to reach out to the religious constituents, or is he that firm of a believer? I doubt the latter, since he didn’t garnish his speech with religious references, like Palin does. So, if he’s not that powerful of a God-follower, is it insulting to the religious that he openly appeal to the Almighty as apparently some sort of groping for a few Christian votes, or is his plea for divine intervention satisfying — perhaps an acknowledgment that God is the final arbiter of the lives of our troops (despite the fact that we (via congress and the Pres.) keep throwing them back into that desert)?

Whatever the case, Biden made me grumble at the end of an otherwise excellent criticism of McCain/Palin. I wonder what other non-believers or non-Christians in the audience felt. If, of course, they were let in at all.

StOP

Is Banning the Words “Christmas” and “Easter” an Appropriate Secular Goal?

Tuesday, September 16th, 2008

Is banning the terms “Christmas” and “Easter” by a state-funded college an act of intolerance, tolerance, mere secularity, or just good sense?

Although the following took place in a UK college, I can see the stink it would cause just about anywhere, especially when reported with a facetious slant — the college didn’t “Ban Christmas,” it merely renamed the official time off for students. Here’s an excerpt:

CHRISTMAS BANNED BY PC COLLEGE CHIEFS … CHRISTMAS and Easter have been scrubbed from a college’s calendars in case they offend non-Christians. Holidays at these times will now be referred to simply as “end of term breaks”. The move will “increase inclusion and diversity”, claim bosses at Yorkshire Coast College in Scarborough, North Yorks. 1

Commenters to the article generally spewed hateful rhetoric about how England is a Christian nation, and that it’s being taken over slowly, bit by bit, and that the religious needed to fight back. Other commenters noted that the policy was not to satiate non-Christians, but, instead, Muslims and other minority religious groups. And still another commenter blamed the misunderstanding as an intentional media hype by the newspaper (the same newspaper that misleadingly headlined that Russia threatened Poland with nuclear strike).

Considering that, yet again, we embark upon the Fall journey to that winter time period where we seek vacation time from work, familial reunion, and, often, gift exchange, and, yet again, we roll our eyes at the anticipated onslaught of argument regarding whether it’s appropriate on any calendar to name this time period after a very specific religious icon, what do we think about various institutions trying to edit such references from their calendars?

And, can we really fully escape references? Some have said, just call it “holiday!” That would work for some, but would knowing that the origin of the word is “holy” which has its origin in “holly,” a plant worshiped by pagans in ritual? Religious! After perusing the thesaurus to try to find some non-offensive, unbiased word to pin on a few days off, consider to what extent such purging of all religious reference is necessary in order to accomplish the “goal.” The goal? I think most rationals would agree that the goal is to create and maintain a truly secular government and public that doesn’t infringe upon the ability of people to practice the religious rituals of choice as long as that practice does not infringe upon the ability of people not to practice that religion, another religion, or no religion.

In addition, from a governmental point of view, religious reference or preference should not even create an image of impropriety, regardless of actual impact. For example, “In God We Trust” on currency creates an image of impropriety (specifically an indication that the government accepts and trusts in a single deity), regardless of whether it actually impedes my ability not to have to believe in that same deity or follow the rituals of those who believe in that deity.

So, if I had to get my passport from “The United States of Christian America Mother Mary Holy Church of International Relations,” no matter how adamant the government was about how that branch of the government was regulated to treat everyone, including non-believers, equally, I’d have a pretty good reason to distrust that assertion. But is there a true gray area, where it’s not so bad for a public school to keep “Christmas” on the calendar, considering it’s been used so widely by Americans for so many years? I wonder, would it offend me if my job had “Christmas holiday” on its calendar? Up to a few years ago, it did. I doubt very seriously that it was changed because of complaints from atheists. It switched to “firm holiday.”

I think the commenter to the above article who blamed this trend on Muslims and other non-Christian faiths was probably correct. Christianity is no longer the only bully on the block, as it were, and we’re in a transition period where the new bully has distracted the old bully from beating up on the little atheist kid. We’re in a period of change, but to what end?

Back to drawing the line: should we purge all reference to any spirituality from all government and public products, or should we allow a bit of slack for tradition, culture, etc., with some agreeable guidelines as to what goes too far? If you’re an atheist, would “holiday” offend you on your work or school calendar? What alternative suggestions do you have for such days off?

And, ultimately, do you think that by purging the calendar of all religious and spiritual references, we run the risk of losing those “holidays”?

  1. CHRISTMAS BANNED BY PC COLLEGE CHIEFS, Daily Express. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/61630/Christmas-banned-by-pc-college-chiefs [<]

The Suicide Donation Club

Monday, September 15th, 2008

It is the year 2033.

Much has changed.

You are getting old, but still have a lot of life left in you. Well, you would if it weren’t for your failing kidneys. The law has become much more liberal, more laissez faire, more libertarian. The law allows you to go to a Donation Center to acquire fresh and healthy organs. Since suicide has become legal and even desirable in certain social groups (for many reasons, one of which is the idea that by committing suicide, it helps cut down the human population, which eases the strain on an already overcrowded planet (in certain areas)), the Donation Center has negotiated with the Suicide Club to provide healthy organs for those in need. This system, in the years since its inception, has saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and prolonged the lives of many of civilization’s finest members. There are, of course, factions that disagree with this donation method, but the traditional wait list for organ transplants has been abandoned in favor of this more efficient system. All donors do so voluntarily, and the underground organ harvesting market has all but ceased to exist. In addition, since the entire economic system has been revamped, it doesn’t cost anyone anything to get an organ transplant, which makes high bidding for organs obsolete.

Out of curiosity (and perhaps necessity), you visit a Donation Center to learn what it’s all about and to evaluate your options.

The way the system works is that you have the choice of whether or not to meet your donor (and that also depends on the urgency of the transplant necessity). Meeting the donor has often helped transplant recipients understand that the donor is doing everything voluntarily. Other organs from the donor are distributed as necessary to those in need. The high population of the planet as well as advances in modern medical technology have allowed for organs to be extracted and maintained in stasis indefinitely, and are more compatible with a wider variety of recipients. It’s a clean and regulated system, and there is 100% disclosure on the part of the Center and the medical regulators.

Your options:

1. Accept the kidney donation, which will end the life of the voluntary donor (and the donor is well aware of this), and you will live at least 20 more years (if not more).

2. Do not accept the kidney donation, which will result in your death via kidney failure within a few days.

Sub-options: (you should choose either main option and you should also choose either sub-option, no matter what main option you chose)

a. Meet with your donor.
b. Do not meet with your donor.

[so, for example, you can pick 1.a. or 1.b. or 2.a. or 2.b. (Yes, you can meet with your donor even if you choose not to go through with the transplant.) ]

Accept all the statements of the hypothetical to be true.

What option do you choose, and why?

Follow-up questions:

1. If you chose to meet with your donor, what questions would you ask?

2. If you chose not to meet with your donor, why did you choose not to?

3. If you were executive leader of a country whose legislature was about to pass a law to allow such a system, would you veto that law? Why or why not?

4. If you could live forever (no dying of “old age”) (without harming anyone to do so), would you?

5. If you could live forever, but at the cost of a voluntary donor for every ten years of life, would you?

6. If you could live forever, but at the cost of a single involuntary donor, would you?

7. Would you ever consider being a donor in a system like this? (with the stipulation that it’d be pretty much the last thing you ever do)

8. If the hypothetical were altered such that the system were identical except for the fact that recipients had to pay donors directly, in whatever amounts they negotiated, would you pass such a system into law?

9. If you were “running the government”, and you had the choice as to whether to make this system into a “free universal health care” covered system, an “insurance” system, or a “pure libertarian” (citizens/doctors/hospitals/recipients/donors figure out on their own how to pay or not pay) system, which would you choose, and why? Or do you have a different type of economic system with regard to the donation system that you’d implement?

10. Do you see an analogy between this scenario and prostitution?

11. Is suicide immoral? Why or why not?

StOP